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rjmiller wrote:
Hypothetically ( I don't really have any idea what they are on) would you rather have Big-Mac for 100k or Smeltzy for 400k? I get the impression we will have to shell out quite a bit for him. Not saying we shouldn't because I don't know who else would be available, but he's not the type of player we need at the moment.

Smeltz has scored as many goals as Dylan in 9 games this season, 12 games less than Dylan. And it was not like GCU were scoring lots of goals and Smeltz chipped in, they only scored 1 more goal than us this season. 47 goals in 74 HAL games.
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AJ13 wrote:
rjmiller wrote:
Hypothetically ( I don't really have any idea what they are on) would you rather have Big-Mac for 100k or Smeltzy for 400k? I get the impression we will have to shell out quite a bit for him. Not saying we shouldn't because I don't know who else would be available, but he's not the type of player we need at the moment.

And what do we 'need'? Even if we had the A-Leagues best defence we'll probably still struggle to score goals away from home.
IMO in order of priorities
1) Re-sign Marco
2) Right back
3) Ball playing midfielder
4) Quick striker who score lots of goal
I'm not sure if we could get quality for 3 or 4 for that amount of money or not. As I said, I'm not saying we shouldn't go all out for Smeltz, you just need to consider how much it would cost (which would be a lot) and compare it to what could be spent in other areas.
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rjmiller wrote:
AJ13 wrote:
rjmiller wrote:
Hypothetically ( I don't really have any idea what they are on) would you rather have Big-Mac for 100k or Smeltzy for 400k? I get the impression we will have to shell out quite a bit for him. Not saying we shouldn't because I don't know who else would be available, but he's not the type of player we need at the moment.
And what do we 'need'? Even if we had the A-Leagues best defence we'll probably still struggle to score goals away from home.

IMO in order of priorities
1) Re-sign Marco
2) Right back
3) Ball playing midfielder
4) Quick striker who score lots of goal
I'm not sure if we could get quality for 3 or 4 for that amount of money or not. As I said, I'm not saying we shouldn't go all out for Smeltz, you just need to consider how much it would cost (which would be a lot)�and compare it to what could be spent in other areas.

Well...Midfielder and Striker could be marquee signings and up to $150k of Marco's contract could be outside salary cap. So for those 4 players you would only have the RB and whatever is left of Marco's contract taking up salary cap. All hypothetically speaking.
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we need better fullbacks
I like tautologies because I like them.
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Bullion wrote:
rjmiller wrote:
Hypothetically ( I don't really have any idea what they are on) would you rather have Big-Mac for 100k or Smeltzy for 400k? I get the impression we will have to shell out quite a bit for him. Not saying we shouldn't because I don't know who else would be available, but he's not the type of player we need at the moment.

Smeltz has scored as many goals as Dylan in 9 games this season, 12 games less than Dylan. And it was not like GCU were scoring lots of goals and Smeltz chipped in, they only scored 1 more goal than us this season. 47 goals in 74 HAL games.
Do you have how many minutes they have played and how many penalties? And how much better should he be doing if he is 4 times more expensive? I don't need to be convinced that Smeltz is a good player btw. I actually think from a stats point of view he was probably more prolific last year.
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rjmiller wrote:
Bullion wrote:
rjmiller wrote:
Hypothetically ( I don't really have any idea what they are on) would you rather have Big-Mac for 100k or Smeltzy for 400k? I get the impression we will have to shell out quite a bit for him. Not saying we shouldn't because I don't know who else would be available, but he's not the type of player we need at the moment.
Smeltz has scored as many goals as Dylan in 9 games this season, 12 games less than Dylan. And it was not like GCU were scoring lots of goals and Smeltz chipped in, they only scored 1 more goal than us this season. 47 goals in 74 HAL games.

Do you have how many minutes they have played and how many penalties? And how much better should he be doing if he is 4 times more expensive? I don't need to be convinced that Smeltz is a good player btw. I actually think from a stats point of view he was probably more prolific last year.

Ok, according to data from their profiles on their clubs websites:
Smeltz averages a goal every 140.4min and a goal every 5.7 shots. Not including the 11 goals from pens, Smetz averages a goal every 183.4min and 7.4 shots.
Dylan averages a goal every 276.2min and a goal every 11.3 shots

One thing Dylan is better at, he averages an assist every 662.8min while Smeltz only averages an assist every 1100.2min.

Edit:
So, not taking into account pens, Smeltz scores 1 in 2 and Dylan 1 in 3. Over a season of 30 games, Smeltz scores 15 and Dylan 10. Taking into account assists, Dylan averages about 1 in 7 and Smeltz 1 in 12 so that is about 4 assists to Dylan a season and 2-3 for Smeltz. So Smeltz is involved in 17-18 goals a season and Dylan about 14 goals a season.

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I should add I think Smeltz is by far a better player.Bullion2011-02-17 15:34:26
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But Smeltz doesn't need to make assists because he scores them himself? He's the guy everyone is trying to assist.
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D-Mac has scored 7 from 1213 minutes this season so he is well above average.
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rjmiller wrote:
D-Mac has scored 7 from 1213 minutes this season so he is well above average.

And Smeltz 7 from 768
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And TBH this is D-Macs best run of form in ages where as when Smeltz has a bad run of form he can still manage 19 goals a season.
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Smeltz with nix and average to poor service from midfield, scores plenty.....imagine him with the service from Rojas and Ifill, may be a solid return - 1 big negative, is his missus doesn't like the weather here and smeltzy can't be away from her for too long.....hence why he left in the first place, even then he was looking for a bigger pool to swim in, ran from China cos it was too far away, failed in Turkey (debatable), now back at GC. If we signed him, how long would it be before he starts looing elsewhere????

Queenslander 3x a year.

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Can't argue with his goalscoring abilities, but he does seem to have some commitment issues

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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rjmiller wrote:
martinb wrote:

And you recall he was doing that at the expense of Marco. And we'd let Kosta go.
Blaming Pav for Kosta not getting much game time over the last three seasons is somewhat bewildering. He is a completely different style player playing in a different position from Marco. Marco wasn't getting game time at the start of the season because of Riki, not Pav. I also seem to recall Marco was injured earlier as well.
 
I"m not saying that. I'm saying we let Kosta go and we got Pav. that is all.
 


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Also Dmac has got lucky- Marco has come along and been an assist bonanza. Cross after good cross...Dmac had done very little before that during regular season despite looking handy in pre-season...


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Im not a huge fan of big Mac but it's a bit harsh to say that he's sh*t 'because our crossing has been good'..

btw saying Pav took Rojas' place is ridiculous considering Marco was out for 9 months with an ankle injuryvaleo2011-02-17 20:46:37

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Hearfield is a dream utility. He will be resigned so he will be eligible for Ricki and the all whites. Likewise lia


lolz.
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I am sure if Ricky had the cash he would have. He hasn't resigned anyone for a number of months since green acre of all people and that should make you worried 2nd best.

Auckland will rise once more

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The bottom line is hear field got driven away by certain members narking on him every time he went for a coffee

Auckland will rise once more

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The bottom line is hear field got driven away by certain members narking on him every time he went for a coffee

Ha!
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martinb wrote:
Also Dmac has got lucky- Marco has come along and been an assist bonanza. Cross after good cross...Dmac had done very little before that during regular season despite looking handy in pre-season...
 
Any striker in the league would be deemed to have got 'lucky' with marcos's crossing. Itr just shows what piss poor crossers of the ball bertos, Daniel and the rest are

" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow

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paullt wrote:
martinb wrote:
Also Dmac has got lucky- Marco has come along and been an assist bonanza. Cross after good cross...Dmac had done very little before that during regular season despite looking handy in pre-season...
 
Any striker in the league would be deemed to have got 'lucky' with marcos's crossing. Itr just shows what piss poor crossers of the ball bertos, Daniel and the rest are
 
Well also in all fairness, it isn't jsut the crosses but the speed and his control to wrong foot the defence and do things they aren't capable of predicting...


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The bottom line is hear field got driven away by certain members narking on him every time he went for a coffee
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Hard News wrote:
The bottom line is hear field got driven away by certain members narking on him every time he went for a coffee
 
More lols.
 
 
Surely?

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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Basically if we lose tonight North will get an early release to Sydney.
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Basically if we lose tonight North will get an early release to Sydney.


Sydney stealing a whole heap of players and causing sh*t for the ACL, shows how rubbish their current squad is.
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Basically if we lose tonight North will get an early release to Sydney.
 
Can we throw the game then please?

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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keep north outta that lineup then, otherwise he may have other things on his mind


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I don't think Herbert even knew they were in talks.
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I don't think Herbert even knew they were in talks.


but you did? hmm

excellent comments on the podcast this week about North, basically agreed with every word

Normo's coming home

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https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/sydney-fc-chase-a-league-quality-players-to-add-to-their-afc-champions-league-roster/story-e6frf4gl-1226007989965
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confirmed he's going is it?
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i think its becomming increasingly obvious
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Luis Garcia wrote:
With Troy gone it's imperative that we sign the following

Re-sign Rojas --> in the works as we speak.
Sign a right-back --> yes it is a regular weak area across the league.
Re-sign Nicky Ward --> he's the new Hearfield?
Sign someone who is a right-back/left-back --> Not many players are that good to cover both sides at this level.
Sign a fast foreign striker --> always tricky considering the players we have now. Very hard to find a good bargain.
Sign a goal keeper. --> Yeah there are plenty of decent keepers about in australiasia.


Kosta and Smeltz are sore points for us. Smeltz because of his missus and his lack of direction thereafter. Kosta because we were playing it too safe to let him more game time.

Certainly it is going to be interesting on how the line-ups are going to looking like.
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Please let north be leaving now

Allegedly

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