AucklandPhoenix wrote:
From memory from the doc, his child may also have some health issues which would mean being around family would be important.
Bradman99 wrote:
We have this obsession in NZ about scouring the pro leagues of Europe & to a lesser extent the US for players. Eze was a great find last year and who had even thought of the Iraqi league? What other gems are out there?
Or even closer to home...is someone like Monty Patterson worth a look.
NPL clubs are probably littered with players who developed in the A league academies but didn't get signed at age 20, so played NPL and developed a bit later.
Coaches just seem to have this obession that if they have signed somewhere once they must be good...it's certainly not always the case.
AucklandPhoenix wrote:
From memory from the doc, his child may also have some health issues which would mean being around family would be important.
YoungHeartHM wrote:
Anyone else get a notification from the club on twitter/X that Gabriel Sloane-Rodrigues contract has been mutually terminated before it was quickly deleted/removed not that long ago?
I know someone on here had mentioned it previously, but it looks like we're about to have it confirmed that the lad is on his way out...
My guess is they had it set for a post at midday (today now), but set it for midnight by mistake. 🫣
WanderingSheep wrote:YoungHeartHM wrote:Sad if it’s ended this way. Didn’t seem to grab his chance though then injured?
Anyone else get a notification from the club on twitter/X that Gabriel Sloane-Rodrigues contract has been mutually terminated before it was quickly deleted/removed not that long ago?
I know someone on here had mentioned it previously, but it looks like we're about to have it confirmed that the lad is on his way out...
My guess is they had it set for a post at midday (today now), but set it for midnight by mistake. 🫣
PKB wrote:WanderingSheep wrote:Yes, I hope he gets into OFC Pro League or something. This will allow Luke Brooke Smith and Nathan Walker to get more game time though. Got to stack the game time for those 2 so they can improve.YoungHeartHM wrote:Sad if it’s ended this way. Didn’t seem to grab his chance though then injured?
Anyone else get a notification from the club on twitter/X that Gabriel Sloane-Rodrigues contract has been mutually terminated before it was quickly deleted/removed not that long ago?
I know someone on here had mentioned it previously, but it looks like we're about to have it confirmed that the lad is on his way out...
My guess is they had it set for a post at midday (today now), but set it for midnight by mistake. 🫣
Walsall Boy wrote:
Do we know when pre-season starts or did? I thought it usually around the beginning of July
Walsall Boy wrote:
Do we know when pre-season starts or did? I thought it usually around the beginning of July
theprof wrote:
if the club have let GSR go it can only be good for someone else to come up and replace him, he really hasnt shown the improvement you'd want over the years.
Bradman99 wrote:theprof wrote:Hard to improve when you spend three years without playing. Scholly program has been flawed. Both Nix & AFC has chewed up some young talent that would have been better served if they had played games with some clubs.
if the club have let GSR go it can only be good for someone else to come up and replace him, he really hasnt shown the improvement you'd want over the years.
I think the reserves is suppose to be an U20 team...but the trouble is at that age in NZ they generally arent ready to make the jump to A League...so there needs to be a place they can go and play and continue to develop. Perhaps let them go to good Central or Northern League clubs but retain an affiliation with Phoenix.
The current model is based on the Australian system which has much better youth pathways than NZ. So players that get to 20 in Australia have had the benefit of a better pathway and are better equipped by that age.
There are pathways here in NZ but they are scarce and expensive so don't capture the broad talent of youth footballers we need. Seems NZ football is getting the joke and expanding the TDP programs so over time this problem may diminish.
GSR's experience should be a wake up call for Nix & NZ Football as to how one of our brightest young prospects has been spewed out of the system.
Queenslander 3x a year.
Walsall Boy wrote:
Do we know when pre-season starts or did? I thought it usually around the beginning of July
Bradman99 wrote:theprof wrote:Hard to improve when you spend three years without playing. Scholly program has been flawed. Both Nix & AFC has chewed up some young talent that would have been better served if they had played games with some clubs.
if the club have let GSR go it can only be good for someone else to come up and replace him, he really hasnt shown the improvement you'd want over the years.
I think the reserves is suppose to be an U20 team...but the trouble is at that age in NZ they generally arent ready to make the jump to A League...so there needs to be a place they can go and play and continue to develop. Perhaps let them go to good Central or Northern League clubs but retain an affiliation with Phoenix.
The current model is based on the Australian system which has much better youth pathways than NZ. So players that get to 20 in Australia have had the benefit of a better pathway and are better equipped by that age.
There are pathways here in NZ but they are scarce and expensive so don't capture the broad talent of youth footballers we need. Seems NZ football is getting the joke and expanding the TDP programs so over time this problem may diminish.
GSR's experience should be a wake up call for Nix & NZ Football as to how one of our brightest young prospects has been spewed out of the system.
Bradman99 wrote:theprof wrote:Hard to improve when you spend three years without playing. Scholly program has been flawed. Both Nix & AFC has chewed up some young talent that would have been better served if they had played games with some clubs.
if the club have let GSR go it can only be good for someone else to come up and replace him, he really hasnt shown the improvement you'd want over the years.
I think the reserves is suppose to be an U20 team...but the trouble is at that age in NZ they generally arent ready to make the jump to A League...so there needs to be a place they can go and play and continue to develop. Perhaps let them go to good Central or Northern League clubs but retain an affiliation with Phoenix.
The current model is based on the Australian system which has much better youth pathways than NZ. So players that get to 20 in Australia have had the benefit of a better pathway and are better equipped by that age.
There are pathways here in NZ but they are scarce and expensive so don't capture the broad talent of youth footballers we need. Seems NZ football is getting the joke and expanding the TDP programs so over time this problem may diminish.
GSR's experience should be a wake up call for Nix & NZ Football as to how one of our brightest young prospects has been spewed out of the system.
ballane wrote:Bradman99 wrote:You have drawn a pretty long bow there by assuming he didnt play for 3 years because he wasnt selected when thats just false. He spent nearly a season with Chief unavailable or coming back from injury and thats on top of all his other injuries.theprof wrote:Hard to improve when you spend three years without playing. Scholly program has been flawed. Both Nix & AFC has chewed up some young talent that would have been better served if they had played games with some clubs.
if the club have let GSR go it can only be good for someone else to come up and replace him, he really hasnt shown the improvement you'd want over the years.
I think the reserves is suppose to be an U20 team...but the trouble is at that age in NZ they generally arent ready to make the jump to A League...so there needs to be a place they can go and play and continue to develop. Perhaps let them go to good Central or Northern League clubs but retain an affiliation with Phoenix.
The current model is based on the Australian system which has much better youth pathways than NZ. So players that get to 20 in Australia have had the benefit of a better pathway and are better equipped by that age.
There are pathways here in NZ but they are scarce and expensive so don't capture the broad talent of youth footballers we need. Seems NZ football is getting the joke and expanding the TDP programs so over time this problem may diminish.
GSR's experience should be a wake up call for Nix & NZ Football as to how one of our brightest young prospects has been spewed out of the system.
So your claiming the system is broken because GSR and some others couldnt make it, yet that same system has succesfully developed a number of players.
Its a fact not everyone gets there and some players just wont make it dosnt mean the system is broke and not working.
Yep the Academy pathway might not work for everyone dosnt mean you change because it hasnt worked for some players. There are other pathways for players and maybe one of those will suit GSR better i hope so because according to some he has the potential
AucklandPhoenix wrote:
Apart from Payne and Piper, didn’t every kiwi who played for the Nix last season come from the acadamy?
Judging by many on here, it was also an injury ravaged season so surely there were plenty of minutes shared around as well?
One academy player leaving (when apparently there is a story there) and no transfer fees for a couple of years doesnt mean it’s not working.
AucklandPhoenix wrote:
Apart from Payne and Piper, didn’t every kiwi who played for the Nix last season come from the acadamy?
Judging by many on here, it was also an injury ravaged season so surely there were plenty of minutes shared around as well?
One academy player leaving (when apparently there is a story there) and no transfer fees for a couple of years doesnt mean it’s not working.
Bradman99 wrote:AucklandPhoenix wrote:LBS not an academy product...was playing for Cambridge FC then briefly Wanderers...and is probably the best young player on the books we have. Luke Supyk another one recently released with only a handful of minutes over last few years.
Apart from Payne and Piper, didn’t every kiwi who played for the Nix last season come from the acadamy?
Judging by many on here, it was also an injury ravaged season so surely there were plenty of minutes shared around as well?
One academy player leaving (when apparently there is a story there) and no transfer fees for a couple of years doesnt mean it’s not working.
Not sure NW is kicking on but had horrible spell with injuries so maybe give him benefit of the doubt. Loke has been decent without many opportunities. Cassidy also good player but limited opportunities since he signed. Must be hard for young players to not even make the bench each week.
Bradman99 wrote:ballane wrote:yeah you raise some fair points and the system has in the past produced some players. Just looking at the experience over the last few years with Nix & AFC there hasn't been much progression for the scholarship players and my view is limited game time is a factor. For Nix I'd guess that Chief wasn't great at the coaching level. While they were on a good trajectory under Greeny the Chief didn't seem to take them forward. Granted injuries for GSR & NW have been a factor.Bradman99 wrote:You have drawn a pretty long bow there by assuming he didnt play for 3 years because he wasnt selected when thats just false. He spent nearly a season with Chief unavailable or coming back from injury and thats on top of all his other injuries.theprof wrote:Hard to improve when you spend three years without playing. Scholly program has been flawed. Both Nix & AFC has chewed up some young talent that would have been better served if they had played games with some clubs.
if the club have let GSR go it can only be good for someone else to come up and replace him, he really hasnt shown the improvement you'd want over the years.
I think the reserves is suppose to be an U20 team...but the trouble is at that age in NZ they generally arent ready to make the jump to A League...so there needs to be a place they can go and play and continue to develop. Perhaps let them go to good Central or Northern League clubs but retain an affiliation with Phoenix.
The current model is based on the Australian system which has much better youth pathways than NZ. So players that get to 20 in Australia have had the benefit of a better pathway and are better equipped by that age.
There are pathways here in NZ but they are scarce and expensive so don't capture the broad talent of youth footballers we need. Seems NZ football is getting the joke and expanding the TDP programs so over time this problem may diminish.
GSR's experience should be a wake up call for Nix & NZ Football as to how one of our brightest young prospects has been spewed out of the system.
So your claiming the system is broken because GSR and some others couldnt make it, yet that same system has succesfully developed a number of players.
Its a fact not everyone gets there and some players just wont make it dosnt mean the system is broke and not working.
Yep the Academy pathway might not work for everyone dosnt mean you change because it hasnt worked for some players. There are other pathways for players and maybe one of those will suit GSR better i hope so because according to some he has the potential
I guess I'm also making my judgement on what I've seen at AFC as well. None of the group seem to have benefited that much from the experience (Gillion excepted but he already was a bit older than the others). Guess we will see more of FM soon as he could be on his way to the capital.
So all I'm saying is that the recent experiences have not been great and there is a fairly commonly held view that to get better at football you need to be playing football. Clubs should always be evaluating how their development process is going and look to enhance it. Perhaps loaning out players to top clubs is a solution.
Queenslander 3x a year.
coochiee wrote:
What is 18 yr old striker Jack Perniskie up to?
Is he playing for Weenix in Central League and if so how is he going?
Seems to be some big wraps on the kid, and he was trialling in the UK be a bit earlier this year??
