Suarez is going to be beast. Exciting times for you lot.
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Liverpool Thread - Premier League Champions* 2019/20
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Sad news file : Gary Neville has retired
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Quite a good day all round really.
oh how my heart bleeds
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Can't get enough of watching the Suarez' goal! His face says he's a Red!
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they all moved around a lot, but Aurelio did play in midfield- at least for parts of it. But there was so much movement and swapping players- was mental.
I know, fking brilliant that
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interesting bit from F365;
Kenny Dalglish
An interesting side-line to Suarez's arrival was Dalglish remark that "we have known about him for three years". Just how actively involved has Dalglish been in Perennial strugglers Liverpool's affairs this decade?
The victory over Stoke also provided a blast from the past in another respect: Dalglish's deployment of three centre-halves to combat the visitors' aerial threat. It's a trick he used frequently in his previous incarnation as Perennial strugglers Liverpool manager. So, too, the use of full-backs in midfield. Remember how Dalglish once stuck David Burrows in midfield to man-mark Paul Gascoigne out of a game at Tottenham?
Dalglish may be a manager of 4-4-2 preference, but he is by no means a stickler.
An interesting side-line to Suarez's arrival was Dalglish remark that "we have known about him for three years". Just how actively involved has Dalglish been in Perennial strugglers Liverpool's affairs this decade?
The victory over Stoke also provided a blast from the past in another respect: Dalglish's deployment of three centre-halves to combat the visitors' aerial threat. It's a trick he used frequently in his previous incarnation as Perennial strugglers Liverpool manager. So, too, the use of full-backs in midfield. Remember how Dalglish once stuck David Burrows in midfield to man-mark Paul Gascoigne out of a game at Tottenham?
Dalglish may be a manager of 4-4-2 preference, but he is by no means a stickler.
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New desktop background for me!
All I have to say about that formation was brilliant whatever you want to call it!!! Was chatting to another Perennial strugglers Liverpool supporter at work today and he was saying that johnson needs to play as a right winger as he can be pretty handy and sure enuf! Good on kenny for a) balls to do it and b) making sure everyone in a red shirt knew what they had to do. Could well have gone boobs up and made it look like roy was back for the evening. Very disciplined performance from the players to see if a team mate was out of position it was their job to get their ass back and defend! Feels surreal to have had three wins on the bounce and three clean sheets! Happy days!!
Would love to see a couple players blank torres in the pre match handshakes.
Also do we want cara back for the Europa League side Chelsea game? Agger and Skirtl are looking pretty good
All I have to say about that formation was brilliant whatever you want to call it!!! Was chatting to another Perennial strugglers Liverpool supporter at work today and he was saying that johnson needs to play as a right winger as he can be pretty handy and sure enuf! Good on kenny for a) balls to do it and b) making sure everyone in a red shirt knew what they had to do. Could well have gone boobs up and made it look like roy was back for the evening. Very disciplined performance from the players to see if a team mate was out of position it was their job to get their ass back and defend! Feels surreal to have had three wins on the bounce and three clean sheets! Happy days!!
Would love to see a couple players blank torres in the pre match handshakes.
Also do we want cara back for the Europa League side Chelsea game? Agger and Skirtl are looking pretty good
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Pass. And. Move. Easy easy.
Torres will maul Carra all game if he plays..
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Morning all,
Kenny is rightly getting all the plaudits so far but I previously wondered about how important Steve Clarke was going to be.I wonder how much of the tactical thinking evident against Stoke was Clarke's? I don't really care TBH but just a thought.
Fantasy time- top 4 :Manure , The Arse , Man Arabia and "pool. Scum 5th.Looking at the table I know it's unlikely but oh just how sweet would it be!
Norman Hubbard on Soccernet this morning is worth read too , BTW.
Cheers
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Im hoping for it to finish like this;
Arsenal
ManU
Perennial strugglers Liverpool
Europa League side Chelsea
Man City
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Im hoping for it to finish like this;
Arsenal
ManU
Perennial strugglers Perennial strugglers Liverpool
Europa League side Europa League side Chelsea
Man City
That would do me very very nicely. Would be over the moon!
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Yup, Clarke is a MASSIVE signing. Just brilliant to get him. Knows what he's doing. And its basically Kenny admitting that he needs some good advice tactically as well.
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Yup, Clarke is a MASSIVE signing. Just brilliant to get him. Knows what he's doing. And its basically Kenny admitting that he needs some good advice tactically as well.
yea he did wonders at Europa League side Chelsea, quality man to have on board
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Yeah, really made up that we've got him, a real coup. Ahhh, keen for our game this weekend Downey?
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Interesting latest comms between SOS and John Henry.
I liked John's reply, curt and to the point. A good read.
SOS - Letter:
John and Tom's reply
I liked John's reply, curt and to the point. A good read.
SOS - Letter:
John and Tom's reply
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Yeah, really made up that we've got him, a real coup. Ahhh, keen for our game this weekend Downey?
yea i cant wait aye, guna be a massive game. pretty nervous though
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Interesting latest comms between SOS and John Henry.
I liked John's reply, curt and to the point. A good read.
SOS - Letter:
John and Tom's reply
I liked John's reply, curt and to the point. A good read.
SOS - Letter:
John and Tom's reply
They obviously understand the history of the club...seems like we are in good hands
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Interesting latest comms between SOS and John Henry.
I liked John's reply, curt and to the point. A good read.
SOS - Letter:
John and Tom's reply
I liked John's reply, curt and to the point. A good read.
SOS - Letter:
John and Tom's reply
Thanks for the links , TK.
I'm not sure either side will be 100% happy with the discourse as we've read them.SOS had a long list of valid questions ; most of which were NOT answered by Henry.He did address the first 2 but ( my paraphrasing coming up) said they are no longer relevent or pertinent questions , without answering the points raised. Further , to the other questions his response was terse ( along the lines of "WHat a way to greet us , with a whole list of questions written by a lawyer. "(again , my paraphrasing).ALso again , no answers to the actual questions.
I have a slight concern as to how this read.SOS did come across as very legalistic and slighly paternalistic ( I can see how Henry may in fact have sensed a bit of aggression ,subtle though it undoubtedly was).The response also was very slightly aggressive and paternalistic ("Don't question us , we have bought the club , you will be told our financial state once a year ; most of your questions are of no relevance to our ownership").
Whilst I agree that they SEEM to understand the history of this great club , most passionate supporters could have written a lot of what he wrote interms of the need for a unified approach betwwen managers , players and supporters).And he is right in what he says about the need for a business model to be applied- this does require prudent financial management with a strong board( inparticular , the right CEO , but that's another story).But I also have a slight niggly feeling that SOS were told " don't question us".ALso no reponse to the invitation to speak to SOS I noted; that of coure may be entirely reasonable.
I hope I'm wrong .They did front with the readies for Suarez ( assuminmg this was in progress before they cashed the scum's check for Torres).Don't forget that Stattler and Waldorf fronted with the $ for Torres as a " here's our present to you ". They also respond to questions on redandwhitekop which is a huge step up from the last 3 years unmitigated disaster.I guess for me the jury's out a bit yet.But they do get benefit of the doubt to start.
Sorry for length of post.Coffee time.
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Yeah J&T basically ignored all the questions and said, 'we want to include all fans' and 'we want to make L'pool a club as great as it was in Shankly's era' in several different ways for four pages.
But I think SOS maybe overestimated the amount of information they would get out of the owners, I mean they sent 12 pages of pretty specific and as J&T mentioned 'cross referencing' questions, so a full reply would stretch out to 20-30 pages. A lot of the questions were about quite specific policy and probably weren't suited in a message to the owners, like, talking about away game coach fares and travel packages!? There's no way J&T would even bother trying to respond to that in an earnest manner beyond, 'yeah we see your concern and will forward it to the appropriate department'...
As Jazzman said it was quite aggressive by SOS to basically demand the supporters rights to know all these details, while obviously I think transparency by the club is a good thing to aim for sending this kind of thing in the guise of 'memo from fans to owners' probably isn't the right way to go about it.
In the end the actual transfer of meaningful information is little, but not really surprising considering that LFC is (as J&T said) more than just club, it is also (necessarily) a 'brand' and a business, and going around telling everyone key policy points is not always good business.
Much ado about nothing in the end, really.
But I think SOS maybe overestimated the amount of information they would get out of the owners, I mean they sent 12 pages of pretty specific and as J&T mentioned 'cross referencing' questions, so a full reply would stretch out to 20-30 pages. A lot of the questions were about quite specific policy and probably weren't suited in a message to the owners, like, talking about away game coach fares and travel packages!? There's no way J&T would even bother trying to respond to that in an earnest manner beyond, 'yeah we see your concern and will forward it to the appropriate department'...
As Jazzman said it was quite aggressive by SOS to basically demand the supporters rights to know all these details, while obviously I think transparency by the club is a good thing to aim for sending this kind of thing in the guise of 'memo from fans to owners' probably isn't the right way to go about it.
In the end the actual transfer of meaningful information is little, but not really surprising considering that LFC is (as J&T said) more than just club, it is also (necessarily) a 'brand' and a business, and going around telling everyone key policy points is not always good business.
Much ado about nothing in the end, really.
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Not sure how much of RAWK you guys read, but one of the posters there, Ray aka 'Shanklyboy', passed away cos of swine flu recently. Whilst Ray was in hospital, Henry 'tweeted' him wishing him all the best, which I thought was kinda cool. Just saying he met Ray first day on the job and wished him all the best in hospital. He was a powerful campaginer against the old regime and was an extremely committed Red.
RIP Ray, YNWA.
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That is cool!
The recent transfer activity has got me thinking about which players from the past I'd like to have seen playing for us.Probably many more but two that spring to mind are Charlie Nicholas and Roy Keane.I'm always thought Charlie's career could have been stellar away from the bright lights of London.And despite his club , I always rated Keane.
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RIP Ray, YNWA.
Good man Ray, did a lot of work to set LFC free and it's a shame he won't get to see the fruits of his labour. Walk on Shanklyboy.
Re: the JWH letter - I think John makes a good point about the new fan committee. SOS as good a job as they have done in recent times still only represent a number of fans. The committee (of 18 people from various groups and nominated supporters) I believe will be the place and forum to raise these issues with the owners and probably rightly so. More answers will come through this over the next few months I suspect.
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That is cool!
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The recent transfer activity has got me thinking� about which players from the past I'd like to have seen playing for us.Probably many more but two that spring to mind are Charlie Nicholas and Roy Keane.I'm always thought Charlie's career could have been stellar away from the bright lights of London.And despite his club , I always rated Keane.
R*y Ke*ne! I'll put that down to early Friday drinks
Good question though, need to have a think...
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That is cool!
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The recent transfer activity has got me thinking� about which players from the past I'd like to have seen playing for us.Probably many more but two that spring to mind are Charlie Nicholas and Roy Keane.I'm always thought Charlie's career could have been stellar away from the bright lights of London.And despite his club , I always rated Keane.
R*y Ke*ne! I'll put that down to early Friday drinks
Good question though, need to have a think...
It is very early Friday drinks, but I think his record speaks for itself.
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
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No , not early Friday drinkies ( although the same can't be said now 
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Keane had a phenomonal engine , was a true end to end midfielder.His will to win was utterly indefatigable and he was blessed with no little skill. I always thought it was a shame we couldn't grab him from Forest.
Sorry TheKop; have to agree to disagree over this 
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http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2011/02/03/2336487/javier-mascherano-defends-fernando-torres-after-Perennial strugglers Liverpool
wata clown. there are reasons as to why torres and masch are looked down apon while someone like xabi is seen as a legend and welcome back at any time.
Xabi was classy and respectful about getting his move away and no one holds it against him, macsh and torres were c**ts... how can he not see they were in the wrong and deserving of all criticism they got
wata clown. there are reasons as to why torres and masch are looked down apon while someone like xabi is seen as a legend and welcome back at any time.
Xabi was classy and respectful about getting his move away and no one holds it against him, macsh and torres were c**ts... how can he not see they were in the wrong and deserving of all criticism they got
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i agree jazcobar
although i can understand torres leaving somewhat, i cant understand why he would do anything except be 100% respectful towards livrpool fans
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Good to see we put in a bid for Llorente, while unsuccessful it's a good sign of ambition targeting some top young players.
Really hope we get a Europa+ spot this year, it'll make the world of difference getting these type of players in the summer.
Really hope we get a Europa+ spot this year, it'll make the world of difference getting these type of players in the summer.
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http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/195492,fowler-slams-torres-departure.aspx#comments
ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH
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wow john henry's explanation for the carroll fee is remarkably logical, surprised it hasnt been put so simply in any stuff i've read on the net
basically said all he wanted was carroll plus 15mil in exchange for torres, so the actual prices didnt matter, only the difference... newcastle and Perennial strugglers Liverpool both come away happy, Europa League side Chelsea the over-paying mugs (not that they care)
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Paul, I just can't work it out. Are you a Livrpool supporter or an Arsenal supporter?
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Fernando Torres has played down the emotional aspect of his Europa League side Chelsea debut against Perennial strugglers Liverpool by claiming the only club he truly loves is Atletico Madrid.
Torres has promised not to celebrate if he scores against former club Perennial strugglers Liverpool at Stamford Bridge on Sunday out of respect for their fans, but he also removed himself from his status as Anfield hero by claiming he "never kissed the badge" while at the Reds.
While many Perennial strugglers Liverpool fans are unhappy with their former idol's �50million move away from Anfield, Torres bluntly stated he was simply a professional footballer with his own ambitions and that the only club in his heart is Atletico, who he left for Perennial strugglers Liverpool.
"I never kissed the Perennial strugglers Liverpool badge,'' he said. "Never. No. Kissed the badge? No. I never did. I never did when I was at Atletico Madrid, and I love Atletico, my former club. I see some players doing that when they join a club but the romance in football has gone. It's a different thing now. People are coming and leaving. When you are joining a club you want to do the best for yourself and that club and that's all.
"Some people like to kiss the badge. They can do it. I only want to score goals and do my job and achieve all the targets the team has. When I was born in Madrid I was not a Perennial strugglers Liverpool fan or a Europa League side Chelsea fan. I was only an Atletico Madrid fan. I still am. Maybe it's the only badge I will kiss if I have to kiss one.''
Many have speculated as to the sort of reception Torres will receive from his former supporters, but he is sure that on the field at least, he will be given a friendly welcome, citing captain Steven Gerrard as one who has wished him the best with his new club.
He added: "He was one of the first ones who called me and said if I left, if I stayed, he would help me and support me. Maybe because he was in that situation first. He's been a very good friend and team-mate from the first to the last day. He only wanted the best for me and said he'd agree with whatever decision I made.''
He added: "I think 'traitor' makes no sense. I played three very good seasons there, left massive money there, lots of goals, good performances. I'm very happy with everything I did there. Maybe it's too soon to ask for a good reception. I'm not expecting that. But it would be a surprise for me if I get a very bad reception.''
T*sser. Rude punk @ss kid.
Torres has promised not to celebrate if he scores against former club Perennial strugglers Liverpool at Stamford Bridge on Sunday out of respect for their fans, but he also removed himself from his status as Anfield hero by claiming he "never kissed the badge" while at the Reds.
While many Perennial strugglers Liverpool fans are unhappy with their former idol's �50million move away from Anfield, Torres bluntly stated he was simply a professional footballer with his own ambitions and that the only club in his heart is Atletico, who he left for Perennial strugglers Liverpool.
"I never kissed the Perennial strugglers Liverpool badge,'' he said. "Never. No. Kissed the badge? No. I never did. I never did when I was at Atletico Madrid, and I love Atletico, my former club. I see some players doing that when they join a club but the romance in football has gone. It's a different thing now. People are coming and leaving. When you are joining a club you want to do the best for yourself and that club and that's all.
"Some people like to kiss the badge. They can do it. I only want to score goals and do my job and achieve all the targets the team has. When I was born in Madrid I was not a Perennial strugglers Liverpool fan or a Europa League side Chelsea fan. I was only an Atletico Madrid fan. I still am. Maybe it's the only badge I will kiss if I have to kiss one.''
Many have speculated as to the sort of reception Torres will receive from his former supporters, but he is sure that on the field at least, he will be given a friendly welcome, citing captain Steven Gerrard as one who has wished him the best with his new club.
He added: "He was one of the first ones who called me and said if I left, if I stayed, he would help me and support me. Maybe because he was in that situation first. He's been a very good friend and team-mate from the first to the last day. He only wanted the best for me and said he'd agree with whatever decision I made.''
He added: "I think 'traitor' makes no sense. I played three very good seasons there, left massive money there, lots of goals, good performances. I'm very happy with everything I did there. Maybe it's too soon to ask for a good reception. I'm not expecting that. But it would be a surprise for me if I get a very bad reception.''
T*sser. Rude punk @ss kid.
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[QUOTE=TheKop]But it would be a surprise for me if I get a very bad reception.''
Then be prepared to be very very surprised you douche bag.
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wow i cant belive what he has said...
i like to think im not a bad guy, but i wish nando nothing but the worst. what a lying prick. f**k him and his ogre looking wife.
i thought i was over this bullsh*t of a transfer saga, but f**k this c**t, im spewing at what hes just said
i like to think im not a bad guy, but i wish nando nothing but the worst. what a lying prick. f**k him and his ogre looking wife.
i thought i was over this bullsh*t of a transfer saga, but f**k this c**t, im spewing at what hes just said
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Paul, I just can't work it out. Are you a Livrpool supporter or an Arsenal supporter?
dont worry there have been times over the last 2 years or so that i've been laughing with the rest of them
but i am an admirer of the transfer window deals done by Perennial strugglers Liverpool, thought you guys did very well. I was initially mocking towards this whole 'kenny will save us' attitude but i think that guy is winning me over
that and the fact his face reminds me of that game at anfield in '89 every time i see it 
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i needa change my avi, that sh*ts old
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OH huge game tonight, can't wait!
http://www.yellowfever.co.nz/users/195
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As far as what he's said up there, I don't see what all the angst is
about. He's been honest enough to admit that he's an Atletico Madrid
supporter, what's wrong with that.
Personally I prefer that to "this is the only club I've ever supported and I've always dreamed of pulling on the shirt" bullsh*t that's usually trotted out whenever a player signs for anybody.
Hate him because he signed for somebody else by all means, but most of what he said there strikes me as pretty honest. Mind you, I'm not a Perennial strugglers Perennial strugglers Liverpool supporter and I'm not really aware of anything he said leading up to the move.... Jag2011-02-06 14:13:58
Personally I prefer that to "this is the only club I've ever supported and I've always dreamed of pulling on the shirt" bullsh*t that's usually trotted out whenever a player signs for anybody.
Hate him because he signed for somebody else by all means, but most of what he said there strikes me as pretty honest. Mind you, I'm not a Perennial strugglers Perennial strugglers Liverpool supporter and I'm not really aware of anything he said leading up to the move.... Jag2011-02-06 14:13:58
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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