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Phoenix Ownership - Rob says FTFFA (Part 1)

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terminator_x wrote:

While�it's great news to hear that there seems to be a safety net in place,�I am also feeling quite cynical about the timing of this announcement and the impact it will have on Terry's chances of stitching up a deal with his creditors.

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Was thinking about this exact same thing this morning.
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I think everyone agrees that Terry has done a huge amount for Football and would love to see his involvement continue if at all possible. Unfortunately, the only publicity being generated is negative and has been that way effectively all year, and contrary to popular beleif not all publicity is good publicity  and as such Terrys seemingly never ending Woes are damaging the phoenix brand. 
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el grapadura wrote:
terminator_x wrote:

While it's great news to hear that there seems to be a safety net in place, I am also feeling quite cynical about the timing of this announcement and the impact it will have on Terry's chances of stitching up a deal with his creditors.


Was thinking about this exact same thing this morning.


Holy crap, maybe the rest of the Phoenix Five are Terry's creditors. Or the people who own the NBR and DoomPost.

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sthn.jeff wrote:
I think everyone agrees that Terry has done a huge amount for Football and would love to see his involvement continue if at all possible. Unfortunately, the only publicity being generated is negative and has been that way effectively all year, and contrary to popular beleif not all publicity is good publicity  and as such Terrys seemingly never ending Woes are damaging the phoenix brand. 


And yet it is still worth a million and one times what the Knights brand is worth...

The Phoenix is Terry's brand, I don't think anyone has the right to come out of the woodwork and complain about Terry damaging the brand as if it exists independent from him or as if it would have existed independent from him.


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martinb wrote:
sthn.jeff wrote:
I think everyone agrees that Terry has done a huge amount for Football and would love to see his involvement continue if at all possible. Unfortunately, the only publicity being generated is negative and has been that way effectively all year, and contrary to popular beleif not all publicity is good publicity  and as such Terrys seemingly never ending Woes are damaging the phoenix brand. 


And yet it is still worth a million and one times what the Knights brand is worth...

The Phoenix is Terry's brand, I don't think anyone has the right to come out of the woodwork and complain about Terry damaging the brand as if it exists independent from him or as if it would have existed independent from him.
 
Terry Created the brand Yes, but the brand belongs to all phoenix supporters, all those who trudge along in sh*t house weather week after week. Yes The Phoenix would not exist without Terrys vision, but it would also not exist without supporters, who collectively have invested more in the phoenix
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Actually, the brand belongs to the FFA who have the right to do whatever they want with it and they have invested more than anyone.

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Last time I did one of those end of season surveys and estimated how much we as a family had spent on the Nix it was quite scary/impressive.  Still at the end of the day the Phoenix brand is largely Terry's (although the brand has been embraced all over the country). 

NUFC@fatcockneyt*sser.com clearly doesn't belong to the fans which is extremely annoying but is also the unpalatable truth.
 
 
 
(let it not be said that I have an overly inflated sense of entitlement...)
 

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

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Oh, OK - or the FFA's then...

"Phoenix till they lose"

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the FFA owns the license to which Phoenix FC rent - at least that's how I understand it. Terry created the Phoenix which then gained the rights to play in the league via the FFA approving them using the license.

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sthn.jeff wrote:
Terry Created the brand Yes, but the brand belongs to all phoenix supporters, all those who trudge along in sh*t house weather week after week.
 
What do you mean "week after week"?  We have a very balmy climate here in Terrywood.
 
 

"Phoenix till they lose"

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Junior82 wrote:
sthn.jeff wrote:
Terry Created the brand Yes, but the brand belongs to all phoenix supporters, all those who trudge along in sh*t house weather week after week.
 
What do you mean "week after week"?  We have a very balmy climate here in Terrywood.
 
 
 
or barmy even.......

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Junior82 wrote:
sthn.jeff wrote:
Terry Created the brand Yes, but the brand belongs to all phoenix supporters, all those who trudge along in sh*t house weather week after week.
 
What do you mean "week after week"?  We have a very balmy climate here in Terrywood.
 
 
 
Quite true ... must be a figment of my imagination that I seem to get soaked and freeze me tits off right though until January each year!
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el grapadura wrote:


A name is better than no names, though, isn't it? At least it gives what was a mysterious rumour a bit more credence, and if that means that there's now more certainty surrounding the club that can't be a bad thing.

As for the football knowledge of the owners of football clubs - how many of them actually know much about football? Around the world and here? That's not really an issue at all as far as I'm concerned - all it requires is that they find people who know a lot about football to run things for them (much as Terry did).

What is an issue though, is should this group at any point find themselves in charge of the Phoenix, is whether they would run and support the club with the same drive and passion that Terry runs it with. I think some people here underestimate the level of commitment that Terry has to the club, and that such level of commitment from an owner is by no means a given should we have to have a change of ownership at some point down the line.


Not a bad name to hear I think.

Re your last paragraph, I reckon anyone prepared to put in 400000 a year for 2 years knowing that they may not get it back must have a passion for the game, surely.

They may well bring good management skills, and different and better marketing skills as well.

Frankly it is the most positive news I have heard all year since Terry's financial difficulties were exposed. I still hope he can find a way out of this for himself, and also continue with the Nix.

As far as the Phoenix are concerned, it is only bring on the new season now, I am reassured that it will happen for us one way or the other


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hepatitis wrote:
As far as the Phoenix are concerned, it is only bring on the new season now, I am reassured that it will happen for us one way or the other


You know what's even better for me? Now there is certainty that if - as the doomsayers are declaring - our moderately thin looking player stocks and backroom staff mean that we're going to get spanked this season, there will be another season next year to look forward to.

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It just dawned on me what's been bugging me the most about the "players won't come here because of the uncertainty around terrys money" - especially now.

Mostly those were also saying there were other backers. That has also now come out in the media. The club seems pretty secure even if Terry can't continue.

So to say players won't come because of terrys finances makes no sense as it's irrelevant.

Allegedly

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I don't think players are not coming because they think the club may fold, I think they're not coming because there isn't much money going around NOW. Whether there are backers to come in if Terry fails is irrelevant in that regard.

 
It would appear that Ricki has a small budget to work with given the lack of transfer activity, that's my main point.
 
Someone said earlier they wouldn't be surprised if we were operating with the smallest budget in the league, and I'd reckon they'd be right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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So Terry goes so we can afford to sign a Marquee? Seems harsh.

But yeah that is a different and more legitimate stance to take I guess (without actually knowing what we pay in wages etc it is all speculation however). What I said was aimed at those who say players aren't interested due to uncertainty over the clubs future etc. It's rubbish.

Allegedly

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Tegal wrote:
So Terry goes so we can afford to sign a Marquee? Seems harsh.

But yeah that is a different and more legitimate stance to take I guess (without actually knowing what we pay in wages etc it is all speculation however). What I said was aimed at those who say players aren't interested due to uncertainty over the clubs future etc. It's rubbish.
 
That, I do not know. Even if these 5 businessmen came in, who knows if they'd put in enough to sign higher quality players.
 
I'm just saying that it's pretty clear Terry is in trouble, and who knows where even the money we are paying the players now is coming from, but it's fairly obvious (without being certain obviously) that there aren't huge amounts to attract new players.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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Steve-O wrote:
 
It would appear that Ricki has a small budget to work with given the lack of transfer activity, that's my main point.
 


You must be joking.


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Ankit wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
 
It would appear that Ricki has a small budget to work with given the lack of transfer activity, that's my main point.
 


You must be joking.


 
Oh yeah, there's been a lot of players left I suppose.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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Steve-O wrote:
Tegal wrote:
So Terry goes so we can afford to sign a Marquee? Seems harsh.

But yeah that is a different and more legitimate stance to take I guess (without actually knowing what we pay in wages etc it is all speculation however). What I said was aimed at those who say players aren't interested due to uncertainty over the clubs future etc. It's rubbish.
 
That, I do not know. Even if these 5 businessmen came in, who knows if they'd put in enough to sign higher quality players.
 
I'm just saying that it's pretty clear Terry is in trouble, and who knows where even the money we are paying the players now is coming from, but it's fairly obvious (without being certain obviously) that there aren't huge amounts to attract new players.
+1. Good points.
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Tegal wrote:
So Terry goes so we can afford to sign a Marquee? Seems harsh.

 
Seems reality to me.  Too much Terry is wonderful, Terry is great.
 
Get a grip team.  It seems pretty clear that the guy is hated all over Wellington by anyone who has done business with him.  Maybe the Nix and yellow fever are the only people in Wgtn who have any love for the guy at all.  And let's face it, mostly he bought that.  It's very easy to like the guy who pays the bills and constantly says nice things.  Not so nice when he's effectively doing it with other peoples money because he's not payed his bills.
 
The sooner he goes and the quicker we get the team onto a decent budget and then sign a couple of decent players the better.
 
 
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mjp2 wrote:
Tegal wrote:
So Terry goes so we can afford to sign a Marquee? Seems harsh.

 
Seems reality to me.  Too much Terry is wonderful, Terry is great.
 
Get a grip team.  It seems pretty clear that the guy is hated all over Wellington by anyone who has done business with him.  Maybe the Nix and yellow fever are the only people in Wgtn who have any love for the guy at all.  And let's face it, mostly he bought that.  It's very easy to like the guy who pays the bills and constantly says nice things.  Not so nice when he's effectively doing it with other peoples money because he's not payed his bills.
 
The sooner he goes and the quicker we get the team onto a decent budget and then sign a couple of decent players the better.
 
 
Wait for it................
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mjp2 wrote:
Tegal wrote:
So Terry goes so we can afford to sign a Marquee? Seems harsh.

 
Seems reality to me.  Too much Terry is wonderful, Terry is great.
 
Get a grip team.  It seems pretty clear that the guy is hated all over Wellington by anyone who has done business with him.  Maybe the Nix and yellow fever are the only people in Wgtn who have any love for the guy at all.  And let's face it, mostly he bought that.  It's very easy to like the guy who pays the bills and constantly says nice things.  Not so nice when he's effectively doing it with other peoples money because he's not payed his bills.
 
The sooner he goes and the quicker we get the team onto a decent budget and then sign a couple of decent players the better.
 
 
Decent budget? ain't there a salary cap we have to keep within or has that changed ? and who do we get in, 5 backers reckon they'll stump up money and when they get sick of losing that money (every year i bet) then what ? dump them and demand new owners? Sounds good. Should we start the protests outside Terry's Head office, demanding he give us back our club and leave this evening or wait and  get there first thing Monday.
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Wait for it................


... okay.

(waits)

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Steve-O wrote:
Ankit wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
 
It would appear that Ricki has a small budget to work with given the lack of transfer activity, that's my main point.
 


You must be joking.


 
Oh yeah, there's been a lot of players left I suppose.
There are probably only 4 players left to sign before the season starts, two of which are youth spots. And we have three players who have been on trial for quite a while now.
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I have to say, the resounding silence coming from the club this week is worrying me a little. Sure, we are still weeks out from the season and there is not so much as a warm-up game - but given the drama around Terry I would have thought the club could have put out some sort of dull-as-dishwater-Warner-aims-for-number-one-spot press release to reassure us all that it is business as usual.

I know Terry has done marvels for the team, and that it wouldn't exist without him, but my view is that it is getting to the point where the drama is becoming actively detrimental.
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We had two warm-up games last week and have got another big one before the end of the month, exactly what is your issue? Are you looking for reasons to panic?

Personally, I certainly hope that Ricki is too busy scouting a striker (and talking tough to U20 players) to comment; and that Nix management are talking to Rob Morrison and the Magnificent Five just to make contingency plans, again, too busy to comment.

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SACK THE PHOENIX 5!!!

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What drama?
We're just like a grownup FC now.
All the trials and tribulations of a soap opera.
Who needs Shorties when you support the Phoenix.
COYN

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Thought RH gave the team this week off? keeping it all low key.

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When does the TV rights expire, must be soon. Is Terry hoping to hold out till the hoped windfall, or is the timing of the 5 coincidental to the possibilities of money to make the clubs a profit turner?

Maybe similar to the EPL clubs being bought up in time for the new rights deal.
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Hard News wrote:
I'm assured that all five names are names we'd like to see involved with the Phoenix, my sauce wouldn't name them though.
Not sure why this should be treated with any more credibility than others who have made a similar claim.Wouldnt mind betting some of those names are the same that others have heard about.Yet most who have posted they have heard something have  been treated to ridicule for even daring to suggest there are people prepared to step up.

Love what Terry has done to get the club up and running but there surely must come a time when even he must realise that he is in danger of damaging that what he has created.

Do have to laugh at some of those commenting about the situation when you realise they have neither been here from the very start or have even had a season membership at any stage.Not that it means they cant comment just dont question some of us who have been, about our passion simply because we may not hold your opinion





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ex-1 wrote:
When does the TV rights expire, must be soon. Is Terry hoping to hold out till the hoped windfall, or is the timing of the 5 coincidental to the possibilities of money to make the clubs a profit turner?

Maybe similar to the EPL clubs being bought up in time for the new rights deal.
I beleive TV rights are being finalised now. In the first year the word was FOX paid a fraction of what they did for rugby league. But in the first few game thier viewer numbers for A League games was well in excess of the rugby league. So rights must be worth a lot more this time around as viewer numbers have been impressive to them.
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Hogster wrote:
ex-1 wrote:
When does the TV rights expire, must be soon. Is Terry hoping to hold out till the hoped windfall, or is the timing of the 5 coincidental to the possibilities of money to make the clubs a profit turner?

Maybe similar to the EPL clubs being bought up in time for the new rights deal.
I beleive TV rights are being finalised now. In the first year the word was FOX paid a fraction of what they did for rugby league. But in the first few game thier viewer numbers for A League games was well in excess of the rugby league. So rights must be worth a lot more this time around as viewer numbers have been impressive to them.
I don't know for a fact, but I call that rubbish.
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The FFA have to get a return on their Kewell investment (and Brett Emerton ) so I expect them to push pretty hard for a much improved deal.

The minimum they will get is expected to be enough to cover each club's wage bill (salary cap) which will be fantastic if this minimum can be achieved. Also the FFA are in a much better bargaining position this time around as the Soceroos have participated in 2 World Cups and 2 AFC Championships since the last deal was struck which will have increased Fox Sports viewer ratings.

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Hard News wrote:
I'm assured that all five names are names we'd like to see involved with the Phoenix, my sauce wouldn't name them though.


until I see or hear it reported that there are 5 names on a dotted line of a contract that gives them the nix I'm not buying any of it. I waqws accosted by some old git last night at the local chippy, first thing he said to me "so who will own the team buy season start?"
my response - Terry of course!
he continued on some tirade about how shonky some of Terry's dealings were and then went on about there being a big take over of the nix - I asked him to man up with names or shut up. he went pretty quiet.

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Haha  IN.YOUR.FACE. old man

Nix ftw

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Hard News wrote:
Actually, the brand belongs to the FFA who have the right to do whatever they want with it and they have invested more than anyone.


Ironic comments from you considering how many f**kwits on here have complained about how much "the FFA gained from the home finals we hosted last year". You've blown that myth to buggery there.
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