Phoenix Ownership - Rob says FTFFA (Part 2)

My feelings on this is it was just this Sydney group testing the waters to see if WelNix might be interested and wasn't a serious offer.

I'm avoiding all A-League related media after that loss. There was a lot of good will for the team after the first few rounds but I have no doubtthat everyone is on the nix out band wagon.

Actually, I lie, I listened to the 442fm podcast and they were saying that they talk to Phoenix supporters and none of them (us) could give them a reason why the Phoenix should exist. Obviously they haven't talked to Phoenix fans and are just talking crap.

I can give a number of reasons why we should exist but, sadly, none of those reasons currently revolve around on-field performance. 

We now (maybe) have two and a 3/4 seasons left, unless we start winning and winning consistently and probable get very close to winning some silverware in two of those seasons.

It is doubtful those SST rumours have a lot of fact attached to them, but shark if I was in Welnix Position right now, you would think seriously about cutting your losses and getting some money back rather than just handing the whole lot over for nothing in another 2 and 3/4 years.

How long will they tolerate results from the coaching staff?

I must admit in a low moment on my couch Saturday night my thoughts did turn to exactly what the point of the Phoenix was.  We've got to show that there is something there to get behind and we will always be judged more harshly than other teams

The Phoenix brand is completely tarnished. The only way to make it right and get Wellington behind us again is to start winning some fudgeing football matches. Nothing short of sustained on field success will save this club

I think the current squad has some "legacy issues" and I think the manager needs at least this and next season, but we've got to find a way to at least put a run of games together and get some positive momentum.  We are at risk of turning into the warriors

keep a look out for Rob Morrison's television on TradeMe

Who knows how much influence what he does has on the pitch, but I have had the same thought

When the FFA board gets turfed, and the owners run the league, we'll be fine. 

To be perfectly honest, this is a lot of bullshark in many ways. 

If we play like crap but always get 40K people to our games then we will have assured future regardless
(it is an exaggerated argument, I know).

If we play the beautiful game but nobody turns up to watch it or if SKY pays only a modest pittance to FFA to screen it, then there will be an ongoing stream of pay-for-post comments saying "cut them from the league". 

This is all expected because FFA runs HAL as a business, albeit in a bad way (in that they see it as a cash cow while the clubs would do better running it directly themselves). HAL clubs are actually business franchises, and they make a business case to be part of HAL via franchise licence.  Obviously club performance on the field contributes indirectly to the business case but in a league of 10 (or even 12) clubs with a salary cap there should be room for almost any club to have a chance at finishing in the top four in any given year. Of the existing clubs I believe it is only CCM and WPX that have not done so, but please correct me if I am wrong.  If it is also the case of Perth, the argument below still stands for Western Australia rather than Northern NSW.

If you tried to raise an argument to cut CCM from the league you will hear that they are an outlet for an important Australian football development region (which is true for CCM and the Jets in Northern NSW). But this is a conflation of reasons to be important to FFA vs to be important to HAL.  I will argue that if we had a financially viable second HAL club in New Zealand and continued to employ and develop Australian talent, this would be in my logic just as suitable means of satisfying the argument of developing Australian talent, If this reason was in the business case of HAL.This shows the whole fiasco of the "value to the league" reasoning.

Developing Australian footballers of the future may be FFA's primary remit but not necessarily HAL's primary remit.  HAL primarily exists to make money from selling us entertainment; and that is what every club is part of.  Developing local football talent ranks distant third after making money directly (gate and advertising) and providing entertainment value which will make more money.  

My point is that you can't cut the 10th club on the ladder every season just because they sucked like Hoover that particular season and bring another club in.  But if we always come in in the last 2-3 places, and never climb higher than 6th place, then the concept of "not contributing to the overall entertainment product" becomes a valid argument, especially if the number of licences is limited to 10 because of sponsorship, travel money, etc. If it is not limited and expansion is on the cards, then there is no reason to kick us out as long as the club makes enough money to stay afloat, pay bills and wages, has a decent stadium and a vocal fan forum.

Pro/Rel for the A-League won't come about if clubs/owners take over as none of them would want to be relegated

07/08 - 8th (8 teams)
08/09 - 6th (8 teams)
09/10 - 4th (10 teams)
10/11 - 6th (11 teams)
11/12 - 4th (10 teams) and from here on
12/13 - 10th
13/14 - 9th
14/15 - 4th
15/16 - 9th
16/17 - 7th

I hate that this is a discussion that has to keep coming up.

I get that the FFA wants to grind its teams into the ground to extract every penny, but shark they should think about their league.

Has Brisbane paid all of its players yet?  When a major team, in a huge city, was not paying its players, we were an issue.  It's so dumb.  Yea our team is shark, and we are struggling, but if the FFA cant make an Australasian league more profitable than an Australian league then their marketing team is failing.

The Nix surely aren't costing them anything, and the more teams they have not in Aus, the more space they have to expand, if their Aus teams can afford to play their players.

They are idiots, who have turned me off their league.  I used to watch every game, now I just watch the Nix.

This is depressing.

If Ernie starts regularly winning the premiership with the Jets from now on, I will run out of arguments and start consider crowdsourcing for an exorcist or a withchdoctor to lift the Nix Curse of Perennial Underachievement.

https://www.theage.com.au/news/soccer/safran-helps-...

Is the tolerant behaviour from a GM a Kiwi thing? Because I'm definitely sure complacency from a GM here in Australia will lead you down a large hole..

Think everyone is using the wrong meaning of Nix GM and compare it  with OZ club CEO.

Big difference IMHO

And we would make a great scapegoat.  stop threatening to kick us, and just blame us indeifnitely.  Win Win!

Are the metrics something still hovering over us or was it just a 1 off superstition scare tactic?.

Aren't they criteria which will be used to determine whether we get the two three year license extensions?

Will the FFA rule of the A-League last till the stage 1 Nix metrixs review :-)

This is the kind of merciless circular logic that finally explains the convoluted space-time fabric of the universe.

I was planning to go and see Brian Cox on stage in NZ but he can't compete with Yellow Fever forum.

I wanted to see Professor Brian Cox on stage but not at $400+ dollars.

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/science-technol...

Braggart. But my claim still stands:

"... he can't compete with Yellow Fever forum."

Agreed. I've already spent $$$ this year to watch powerpoint presentation by Neil deGrasse Tyson, live on stage.