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Phoenix Transfer - speculation (Part 1)
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I typed it, submitted it, thought about it, went Doh! and then went Meh... and left it.
The whole range of emotions.
The whole range of emotions.
You don't know what you're doing
you don't know what you're doing
You're not fit to
you're not fit to
you're not fit to wear the shirt
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I think Santalab is a realistic name to throw up. Think he had great potential too. And with Sydney having Brosque, Bridge and Aloisi. He wouldn't be seeing much game time. But if Brosque were true that ould be awesome. If it is from a current A-League team it would have to be Sydney. But let's just hope we get one of them (Porter or the A-League "Plan B"). but two would be great.
Undoubtedly, Santalab is a good player. Shame he is such a c**t - lol 
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Archie Thompsons illegitimate
He ain't got no birth certificate.....
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Archies a Melbourne W@nker
That went down well in Melbs earlier this year.....
Seriously though....if he is plan B I'd be stoked, he ripped quite a few teams to shreds last season and is just the sort of clinical finisher and creator to compliment Smeltzy......regardless of his gob!
He ain't got no birth certificate.....
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Archies a Melbourne W@nker
That went down well in Melbs earlier this year.....
Seriously though....if he is plan B I'd be stoked, he ripped quite a few teams to shreds last season and is just the sort of clinical finisher and creator to compliment Smeltzy......regardless of his gob!
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A couple of brief snippets on the PFA's involvement in the Porter transfer issue;
"The long running saga surrounding Hartlepool United striker Joel Porter's possible move to Wellington Phoenix rumbles on.
Phonix chief executive Tony Pignata was till confident of a deal ''We're trying to see whether there can be any options."
Phonix chief executive Tony Pignata was till confident of a deal ''We're trying to see whether there can be any options."
''He wants to come, he's agreed to terms and we're happy to move forward. He wants to move and accepted an offer on his house, so it's a messy one.''
The case has been brought before the PFA and a final decison is expected before the end of May."
The case has been brought before the PFA and a final decison is expected before the end of May."
"Joel Porter's Hartlepool United future could be in jeopardy after the PFA were allegedly brought in to settle a dispute over his new contract.
The New Zealand Herald reports that Wellington Phoenix had agreed a three-year deal with Porter before Pools took a option for a further year.
Phoenix, who play in the Australian A-League, have lodged a complaint and the matter is now being dealt with by the Professional Footballers Association."
The New Zealand Herald reports that Wellington Phoenix had agreed a three-year deal with Porter before Pools took a option for a further year.
Phoenix, who play in the Australian A-League, have lodged a complaint and the matter is now being dealt with by the Professional Footballers Association."
Nothing new except that the matter may be concluded by the end of May.
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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Hartlepool fan here,
Firstly let me say that Joel Porter is one of my favourite Hartlepool strikers of all time and I wish him well.
Now that's out of the way.
One thing to point out.
Wellington have NOT contacted the English PFA. This has been confirmed by the PFA themselves.
I would never want a player to stay at the club if he didnt want to.
However, I am against players walking away from their contracts. Hartlepool is run like a business and we need to sell our players and make as much profit as possible in order to reinvest in the team.
The 1 year extension clause is an essential part of the way the club works.
We offer 1 or 2 year contracts with a 1 year extension clause for various reasons but the main one is for our financial security. If we have a player that turns out rubbish and we've offered him a two year contract instead of a one year plus 1 year extension clause then we have to pay that players wages for two years even though we won't play him or we'll have to pay him to leave. Leeds United is a perfect example of why we do this. They had a player called Seth Johnson who was on �40 grand a week. They were in financial trouble and had given the player a long term contract. They could not get rid of him.
If these kind of contracts got rubbished like I believe Wellington are trying then it would have a negative impact on smaller English clubs.
Having said that I hope Porter finds what he wants and if that means he is transferred to you then so be it.
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look at it from the players point of view. Porter does well during the season, during the last year of his regular contract, but at no point during the season does he get any assurances he will be offered a new contract. Phoenix come along and offer him 3 years to come to New Zealand, decent wages and a return to a semi native environment playing in a league from his home country, he thinks fine, thats a good deal, thats what ill do. Then season over and "BAM" Hartlepool come in and say "no, we have decided you have to stay one more year, sorry we didnt tell you but it wasnt convient for us to do so at the time." is it any wonder the Phoenix and Porter are pissed at your club?
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Joel Porter was always going to be kept. We have three strikers at the club, Barker, Mackay and Porter. It was fairly obvious we were going to extend his contract by a year and Porter was aware of his contract when he signed it.
Phoenix have no right to be pissed off at Hartlepool. If you want him, buy him. You won't get a freebie from us.
Porter does have a right to be pissed off. He has a right to be pissed off at the fact that he's been unfairly in and out of the side despite playing well.
As I said I want Porter to be happy but I also want Hartlepool to have either a decent strike force or a transfer fee to replace him.
It's all very easy saying "let him join us for nowt" but if the boot was on the other foot would you let your best striker go for nothing?
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there's a rumour that Michael Bridges will be released on a free if Hull City go up, with Hartlepool the club that's being touted as his destination
that might make it easier for Porter to pick up his bags and bring them over
tigers2008-05-21 07:47:11
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Joel Porter was always going to be kept. We have three strikers at the club, Barker, Mackay and Porter. It was fairly obvious we were going to extend his contract by a year and Porter was aware of his contract when he signed it.
Phoenix have no right to be pissed off at Hartlepool. If you want him, buy him. You won't get a freebie from us.
Porter does have a right to be pissed off. He has a right to be pissed off at the fact that he's been unfairly in and out of the side despite playing well.
As I said I want Porter to be happy but I also want Hartlepool to have either a decent strike force or a transfer fee to replace him.
It's all very easy saying "let him join us for nowt" but if the boot was on the other foot would you let your best striker go for nothing?
No.
You left Porter in the merk about whether you were going to offer him a new contract, hence him looking elsewhere.
You're trying to make a quick buck out of a player that doesn't want to be there. Fact is that we probably wont be paying anything. So you'll be down in wages stuck with a player who wants to be elsewhere. Nice one.
Our best striker doesn't play on the bench.
Wolfben2008-05-21 08:01:02
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there's a rumour that Michael Bridges will be released on a free if Hull City go up, with Hartlepool the club that's being touted as his destination
that might make it easier for Porter to pick up his bags and bring them over
I feel the need to tell you that this is the third time Hartlepool have been linked to him. Last pre-season, during the line January transfer and this pre-season.
We've also been linked with Duffy and had offers turned down for him. We are once again linked with him for the third time.
We almost signed a player called Elding but the deal got hijacked by Leeds, leaving us with three strikers.
Signing a striker has been proving very difficult for Hartlepool, which is one reason why we could be reluctant to let him go as if we do then we've got 2 strikers and if we fail to sign a striker for the third transfer window running we'll be in trouble.
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Bottom line - a contract is a contract is a contract.
Hartlepool have every legal right to expect Joel to honour his contract as we expect our players to honour theirs.
We can negotiate a transfer fee with Hartlepool or move on.
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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Lets face it guys...Porter will not be at the Phoenix this season!!!!
Hartepool will only release him for a transfer fee....the Phoenix will not do that. Now we have heard that the PFA have not been contacted. Its all over. PORTER WILL NOT BE COMING.
So its time for plan B. Any rumours in that area?
Adelaide have just signed a guy called Christiano(not Ronaldo). Brazilian guy who plays in Holland. Scored 34 goals in 65 games playing for the likes of Roda. Is this the sort of player we should have been looking at.
The problem for the Phoenix is that we have wasted valuable time on the Porter saga and are now way behind the eight ball with regard recruiting a striker. Amazing really....if you are a half decent striker the world is your oyster....every club is desperate to sign a good one.
I hope the Phoenix have been using all their scouting options. The fitness guy Barinowski....he had 25 years working in the EPL....you would think he would have lots of contacts in the UK who could find us a decent player. Plus the overseas kiwi players. Vicilich played for Roda...it would have been great if he told the Phoenix about Christiano
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Lets face it guys...Porter will not be at the Phoenix this season!!!!
Hartepool will only release him for a transfer fee....the Phoenix will not do that. Now we have heard that the PFA have not been contacted. Its all over. PORTER WILL NOT BE COMING.
So its time for plan B. Any rumours in that area?
Adelaide have just signed a guy called Christiano(not Ronaldo). Brazilian guy who plays in Holland. Scored 34 goals in 65 games playing for the likes of Roda. Is this the sort of player we should have been looking at.
The problem for the Phoenix is that we have wasted valuable time on the Porter saga and are now way behind the eight ball with regard recruiting a striker. Amazing really....if you are a half decent striker the world is your oyster....every club is desperate to sign a good one.
I hope the Phoenix have been using all their scouting options. The fitness guy Barinowski....he had 25 years working in the EPL....you would think he would have lots of contacts in the UK who could find us a decent player. Plus the overseas kiwi players. Vicilich played for Roda...it would have been great if he told the Phoenix about Christiano
There is a difference between knowing about options and being able to afford options. Did Adelaide sign this Cristiano as their Marquee?
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The problem for the Phoenix is that we have wasted valuable time on the Porter saga and are now way behind the eight ball with regard recruiting a striker. Amazing really....if you are a half decent striker the world is your oyster....every club is desperate to sign a good one.
What makes you think that ?
The club have always said they have two or three other plans, most European leagues have only just finished and other clubs are only just announcing signings now.
I'll wait and see before I start to worry that the plans started and ended with porter.
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My worry is that Ricki and Tony P relaxed when Porter agreed to sign for us and put Plans B to Z on the backburner so they might not be an option any more. Having said that, I've got confidence that there will be few tricks left up Tony and Ricki's sleeves.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Let's hope the PFA Deputy Secretary Mark McGuire went to the same school of media relations as Tony P.
"no-one in the organisation had been in correspondence with the New Zealand-based club" - but it could have been in correspondence with Joel's agent or the Aussie PFA on behalf of the player and the club.
"No-one has dealt with this case at all," - cheeky use of the past tense perhaps? Maybe they're "dealing with this case" at present or are yet to deal with the case?
Or am I reading what I want to from between the lines?
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I have no doubt that Ricki and Tony P have secure plans B and C regarding signing another striker. The club has always operated in a profesional manner. However the way the Porter saga dragged on would not have helped. It would have been hard keeping player B in the loop with the uncertainty created by the delays with the Porter deal.
Joey Barton from Newcastle has just been sent to jail. Perhaps we could get his sentance changed to transportation to the colonies.....just like they did in the old days. He would be good at the Phoenix
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Bottom line - a contract is a contract is a contract.
Hartlepool have every legal right to expect Joel to honour his contract as we expect our players to honour theirs.
We can negotiate a transfer fee with Hartlepool or move on.
Unless it is an illegal contract. Or void. Or there is an implied term. Or it's unconscionable to enforce it. etc etc. Contract law has plenty of loopholes and without the facts its pretty hard to make a comment either way. Sounds like it could be a situation where the only winners are the lawyers.
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Bottom line - a contract is a contract is a contract.
Hartlepool have every legal right to expect Joel to honour his contract as we expect our players to honour theirs.
We can negotiate a transfer fee with Hartlepool or move on.
Unless it is an illegal contract. Or void. Or there is an implied term. Or it's unconscionable to enforce it. etc etc. Contract law has plenty of loopholes and without the facts its pretty hard to make a comment either way. Sounds like it could be a situation where the only winners are the lawyers.
Plus there is a time factor too. The Phoenix can not afford to have this drag on through appeals etc. I think they set a time limit of two weeks...well that must be nearly up by now. I expect that by the end of the month it will be decided one way or the other.
The new season is looming....if we are going to sign someone it would be much better if the player was involved in some of the preseason traing/games.
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Hey Daniel,
Thanks for posting here and giving us a different perspective.
I think where our point of view comes from is based on some of the Pools forums. They seemed to indicate that Danny Wilson didn't rate/like/ had fallen out with Porter and with that in mind it was very unlikely that the option would be taken up.
Do you know anything about that?
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1] When are the Nix going to China?
2] Ronaldinho is going to the Olympics as an over aged player.
3] Nix to surprise world football by signing Ronaldinho for 5 years.
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The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!
The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!
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We are in a bit of a dilemma with the Porter situation
I want a player who will always go for it and honour his contract, and the team, and the fans, and if Porter is such a player, then it rules him out of coming here.
Unless we buy him out, as a marquee player, but is he good enough for that?
Will we be improved enough this year with just our new signings Bertos and Hearfield added to our known quality of Smeltz and Daniel??
If we had Felipe back, would that add to our current strength?? I'm starting to consider that as a possibility
hepatitis2008-05-21 16:06:44
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