Was - Phoenix Transfer Speculation (Part 1)

I was chatting to Diego at the game tonight.He's resigned to not getting any game time and was quite clear why he thinks that is.He's hoping things work out better at his next club.Shame really , I think when  fit he would have offered something different .Bloody nice guy to talk to . 

Could explain further why he thinks that?

"Rikki doesn't like me" or words to that effect.

Nothing to do with his sh*t performances then?

ooooohhhh cheers, maybe some sort of tabloid paper could dig deeper into that story

typical response froma guy who's not being picked. "coach don't like me" well maybe if you trained harder and didn't get red cards in the mid week games you might get some game time.....

If he said that he's not wrong, there's something about him that RH doesn't like. FIND OUT WHAT IT IS AND FIX IT YOU LAZY MAN.

Sounds like a giant bunch of sour grapes to me.

Diego is last years Mulligan.

Wont be here next year

And he knows it.A useful addition to TW's squad?

he stood out heaps at the team wellington game actually.
more than Mac and Pav.

I guess in every team you'll find the Mulligan's or the Diego's. It's just part of the professional set-up of football clubs. You just can't have 14-15 players for a while season and you need to have more. Unfortunately some end up sitting in the stands and not getting any game time.

"Stay classy Diego"

I heard he nutmegged a couple of guys but did sh*t all else

has anyone heard anything else about Joel??

I've just realised i'd like the phoenix to grow up as a club, and behave like a business. The way for this to happen (profitabilty) is through player sales.

We should be buying young (Muscat, Rojas, Musa) etc- and flogging them off. Much as i like them playing for us, our attitude to youth stinks. They are what can make the club viable....

if we had  ayouth team that would make more sense, iby doing what you are saying we'd simply become a feeder club to some nameless club. It would not be sustainable in the long run. selling all our quality would not equate to wins on the field which would hurt our position on and off the field.

hmmm i wouldnt mind bringing up young players to leckie/oar level and then selling them off. If you can get one or two seasons of them performing at top level then its beneficial for all parties involved

This isnt the premier league.

2 problems:
a) we cant sell on to other A league clubs.
b) we have no bargaining power with other leagues,very rarely does it happen that an A league club makes a massive profit from selling on youngsters. There arent enough of them for starters.

Theyd also probably rather wait until their contract is up rather than pay any sort of transfer fee,unless you are talking a so-called real talent. Which Musa and Muscat do no fit into.

There isnt really a transfer market in the A league,so your angst is a bit odd.

The main benefit for youth players is because you have to have a certain amount of U21 players in your squad,so obviously if your U21 players are very good,it raises the level of the squad significantly. Once they turn 21 they really do have to prove that theyd be of more benefit than a handy U21 player - this is where a lot of players fall short.

You forget that their is a salary cap and a limit to squad size me thinks.

"Why aren't you getting game time, Diego?"

As opposed to what exactly? No A-League teams are making money- so apparently the solution is to not just have a viable business model?

Why is the 'solution' to buy in players from offshore, or the same old tired aussie/nz players in some sort of merry-go-round?

Our position and that of the A-league will not be defined by whether or not we're in the finals, but by the club being a functional, viable business.



zonknz2010-11-29 16:17:54

Tegal,

My argument is that this is a rare occurance and hardly a "viable business model"

A league contracts are also a lot shorter for players because of the salary cap and squad size cap. Its kind of hard to hold onto a young player once he reaches the age of 21,imagine signing him to a long term contract then he turns out to be average.

exactly.

There have been lots of young players to leave for big cash sales. Well big for the league anyway. Some work out well, and some don't. Its usually the players decision as to wen they leave. I think its best if they can go onto somewhere where they can atleast get some game time.

Players like Langarek for example, seem to be in win win situations. The club held out for a good deal, and now hes benching the top budesliga club.

The club get cash, for investments or new players.
The player gets a move overseas, most players dreams
The national team gets more overseas players, hopefully getting more experience

Or the overseas clubs hold out until a player is either out of contract,or nearly out of contract then pay the club a minimal amount.

You cant take outlier examples then hold them up as a win-win viable business model to which ricki is supposed to sign and keep players based upon.

ofcourse its not a business model, but generally it is a win-win situation with these transfers.

Otherwise if its not working, the league is always open for players to return eg Djite. And he has come back a more experienced player you'd say.

Youth players are always going to be the future of the club, so I guess the best idea, is for Ricki to atleast give a shot to youth players, rather than signing overseas or Aus players who are marginally better. Would prefer youth striker or midfielders over Mac or Toto.

Obviously this isn't going to be a way for the club to work towards making money. But think youth is definitely key

"Is it cos I is black?!?"

this could potentially have some truth to it, know someone that works with Killens mother and apparently he may be coming back to NZ for the off-season.

Yeah and anything I said was in response to Zonknz saying we need to grow up as a club and use signing youth for nothing and selling them on as a viable business model.

To play for us though? That is the question. Would really bolster our attacking options

Yeah ofcourse, but he is an option of course. He's probably due a holiday though.

Tegal,

Correct me if i am wrong, but if a young player under the age of 21 is offered a new deal but doesn't sign and moves to a "bigger" club, then depending on the estimated future value of the player and appearences for the club the old club will be compensated.

The reason I would like to see the Nix develop youth talent is because its good for the club on the field, any possible sales is just an added bonus. We have two fine prospects in Rojas and Musa(we developed Kosta and he left, but thats another story). They might go on and have a long career at the Nix.

Would rather have Ifill on either tbh