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Confirmation of Troy to Mariners:

https://www.radiosport.co.nz/SportsNews/spsoc/Detail.aspx?id=190991

Cant say im bothered to be honest.
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hepatitis wrote:
According to the Adelaide paper today,

"The(Phoenix) side also has been rocked by contract speculation, with AFC Asian Cup Socceroo Jade North linked to Sydney FC's Champions League campaign - if the Sky Blues manage to register the defender before the deadline - and FC Tokyo."

North going North ??


The non-starting North?


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AJ13 wrote:
Confirmation of Troy to Mariners:

https://www.radiosport.co.nz/SportsNews/spsoc/Detail.aspx?id=190991

Cant say im bothered to be honest.


He's a good utility player, covers some bases for us and has been a fix for our right back headache, and hasn't been the worst there all things considered.

Wish him well, and hope we have got a good replacement for him. He has had some poor performances, but he has been a starter for us for a lot of the season and the reason for that is that he is our best option in the position.

PLus he's been with us for a while.


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martinb wrote:
AJ13 wrote:
Confirmation of Troy to Mariners:

https://www.radiosport.co.nz/SportsNews/spsoc/Detail.aspx?id=190991

Cant say im bothered to be honest.


He's a good utility player, covers some bases for us and has been a fix for our right back headache, and hasn't been the worst there all things considered.

Wish him well, and hope we have got a good replacement for him. He has had some poor performances, but he has been a starter for us for a lot of the season and the reason for that is that he is our best option in the position.

PLus he's been with us for a while.


Agree. He has been far from a star player, but has contributed and appears to have been a good loyal player for the team. I hope all goes well for him - except of course when he plays the Nix.
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My worry about losing Hearfield isn't about how good he is, cos I don't think he's that flash, it's about losing somebody who plays right back.
 
Losing him, unless we buy a specialist right back, means that Manny will probably go back to FB. As Manny has arguably been our most consistent performer, in midfield, this season that is going to leave a hole in the middle of the park

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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I just hope now that we buy a genuine right back! I'd even go as far as saying we need two of them.

No news on Nick Ward scares me a little. Any Australian player off contract, you just assume they want back in Australia or are wanted by other clubs. Secure him!
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My impression is that with Manny in the midfield, we have been more successful as a team. Someone could tear that down with a few figures, but I doubt it. Therefore I would like him to stay there. But will depend on the mix at the nix next year I guess


Read that if Culina goes to Culina snr, then GCU will be hopeful of getting Smeltz as their marque


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Jag wrote:
My worry about losing Hearfield isn't about how good he is, cos I don't think he's that flash, it's about losing somebody who plays right back.
 
Losing him, unless we buy a specialist right back, means that Manny will probably go back to FB. As Manny has arguably been our most consistent performer, in midfield, this season that is going to leave a hole in the middle of the park


He's not the greatest, but he gives what he's got, and had to live with costly mistakes and kept on truckn.

I remember he did well for us in Season 2 (?) I think, up front with Smeltzy and Leo, and he has adapted well to right back.

I'd definitely be clapping him off. And hoping we can replace him. It's not like we've got so many fast players we can let them all go.


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hepatitis wrote:

My impression is that with Manny in the midfield, we have been more successful as a team. Someone could tear that down with a few figures, but I doubt it. Therefore I would like him to stay there. But will depend on the mix at the nix next year I guessRead that if Culina goes to Culina snr, then GCU will be hopeful of getting Smeltz as their marque


Clive Palmer has enough money to keep them both as Marquee. Having Culina leave and a player they already have become marquee is not an improvement.

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With Troy gone it's imperative that we sign the following

Re-sign Rojas
Sign a right-back
Re-sign Nicky Ward
Sign someone who is a right-back/left-back
Sign a fast foreign striker
Sign a goal keeper.
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martinb wrote:
Jag wrote:
My worry about losing Hearfield isn't about how good he is, cos I don't think he's that flash, it's about losing somebody who plays right back.
 
Losing him, unless we buy a specialist right back, means that Manny will probably go back to FB. As Manny has arguably been our most consistent performer, in midfield, this season that is going to leave a hole in the middle of the park


He's not the greatest, but he gives what he's got, and had to live with costly mistakes and kept on truckn.

I remember he did well for us in Season 2 (?) I think, up front with Smeltzy and Leo, and he has adapted well to right back.

I'd definitely be clapping him off. And hoping we can replace him. It's not like we've got so many fast players we can let them all go.
 
Completely agree, I wasn't having a go at Troy.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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AJ13 wrote:
Robb wrote:
Hearfield to Indonesian club Pelita Jaya on a loan stint after the finals campaign:

https://au.fourfourtwo.com/News/196534,a-league-duo-head-to-indonesia.aspx

Loan? I heard on the radio that hes leaving for good. That link doesnt mention a loan either.

Im not a fan of Hearfield anyway.

edit: actually it does, my bad,
You're correct. This article was posted before his move to CCM was made public to non-publicans.
 
In terms of it being a loan - I imagine his contract extends a little while after the Grand Final date, so for him to go to Pelita Jaya, that club would need to obtain him on loan from us. Or from the Mariners. Or both. Otherwise it'd just be an off-season stint.
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I am worried (like others) with the number of players we have coming off contract at the end of the year. With Terrys players may be uneasy with committing or offers are below what could be earned elsewhere. 
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its very important that we find an experienced rightback, whether they are an import or not.

Would prefer to not have manny play right back, but that may end up being what we do.


However I have faith in Ricki'd recruitment this year. He proved he can do it, so lets all believe


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playwithFire wrote:
its very important that we find an experienced rightback, whether they are an import or not.

Would prefer to not have manny play right back, but that may end up being what we do.


However I have faith in Ricki'd recruitment this year. He proved he can do it, so lets all believe
 
Do the names Pavlovich and Toto ring any bells? 
Jag2011-02-17 12:13:15

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Pav and Toto aren't the same. Pav is a youth player with all the physical attributes. He has had limited chances and earlier in the season he did create a bit of spark when we were pretty lethargic. I think he will improve and is worth keeping. Toto was really just a gamble and ended up being a mistake, picked up without really seeing him play. He has too many limitations to play at this level.
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You kind of wonder how much the uncertainty of Terrys financials is playing in people mind about re-siigning with the club. Hearfield was a valuable club member who made a positive contribution.
 
I will start to really worry if we don't re-sign Ward.
 
OK we can go back to the market but in reality you are more likely to have success hiring hard nosed Aussie players with A-League experiance than going to places like Sth America or Asia.
 
If Ward does not resign then we are back to finding the mythical skilled attacking midfielder and recruiting a wide defensive player. With a small squad you can't afford any dud selections like Toto, Mulligan, Diego. I would much prefered to hold players like Ward and Hearfield for squad stability.....they know our system. We don't want to be bedding to many new players in at the start of next season.
 
With the club struggling with refinancing I can't see a lot of biggish money being splashed around
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rjmiller wrote:
Pav and Toto aren't the same. Pav is a youth player with all the physical attributes. He has had limited chances and earlier in the season he did create a bit of spark when we were pretty lethargic. I think he will improve and is worth keeping. Toto was really just a gamble and ended up being a mistake, picked up without really seeing him play. He has too many limitations to play at this level.
 
I wasn't being entirely serious. As for the above, I think we'll agree to disagree on this one

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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zinidane wrote:
We don't want to be bedding in too many new players in at the start of next season.
 
Fixed - at least I think that's what you meant?
 
(BTW - agree with what I think you meant)
 
Junior822011-02-17 12:27:17

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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Jag wrote:
playwithFire wrote:
its very important that we find an experienced rightback, whether they are an import or not. Would prefer to not have manny play right back, but that may end up being what we do. However I have faith in Ricki'd recruitment this year. He proved he can do it, so lets all believe



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Do the names Pavlovich and Toto ring any bells?�


This is part of my point, last offseason he rushed it due to the world cup.

However season before that, when he was given time and went to UK to properly scout with great rewards - Ifill, Greenacre.
The year before when he had time, he also signed some quality in Manny, McKain, Durante, Bertos




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so we now need to be looking for a wide RB with pace, a decent cross, solid position defensively and one who will play for next to nothing to be loved by the Fever???

Queenslander 3x a year.

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theprof wrote:
so we now need to be looking for a wide RB with pace, a decent cross, solid position defensively and one who will play for next to nothing to be loved by the Fever???
 
I was thinking this was all possible until I read your last criterion.
 

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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anything else is mediocre
I like tautologies because I like them.
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playwithFire wrote:
Jag wrote:
playwithFire wrote:
its very important that we find an experienced rightback, whether they are an import or not. Would prefer to not have manny play right back, but that may end up being what we do. However I have faith in Ricki'd recruitment this year. He proved he can do it, so lets all believe



 

Do the names Pavlovich and Toto ring any bells? 


This is part of my point, last offseason he rushed it due to the world cup.

However season before that, when he was given time and went to UK to properly scout with great rewards - Ifill, Greenacre.
The year before when he had time, he also signed some quality in Manny, McKain, Durante, Bertos
 
All fair enough points, but if the Phoenix are serious about recruitment they should have their ears to the ground constantly on potential signings, not rushing about between seasons. Ricki might have been preoccupied with the World Cup but Trani, Gould etc weren't.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Well Gould might have been preoccupied with something else (someone posted his personalised plate a while back).
 
 

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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Junior82 wrote:
Well Gould might have been preoccupied with something else (someone posted his personalised plate a while back). 
 

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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zinidane wrote:
You kind of wonder how much the uncertainty of Terrys financials is playing in people mind about re-siigning with the club.


Exactly how many A-league sides aren't having financial issues, again?

Ramming liberal dribble down your throat since 2009
This forum needs less angst and more Kate Bush threads



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Jag wrote:
rjmiller wrote:
Pav and Toto aren't the same. Pav is a youth player with all the physical attributes. He has had limited chances and earlier in the season he did create a bit of spark when we were pretty lethargic. I think he will improve and is worth keeping. Toto was really just a gamble and ended up being a mistake, picked up without really seeing him play. He has too many limitations to play at this level.
 
I wasn't being entirely serious. As for the above, I think we'll agree to disagree on this one


He ran around with urgency, tried to beat players, didn't pass and lost the ball before he got a shot on target. IIRC.

And you recall he was doing that at the expense of Marco. And we'd let Kosta go.
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martinb wrote:

And you recall he was doing that at the expense of Marco. And we'd let Kosta go.
Blaming Pav for Kosta not getting much game time over the last three seasons is somewhat bewildering. He is a completely different style player playing in a different position from Marco. Marco wasn't getting game time at the start of the season because of Riki, not Pav. I also seem to recall Marco was injured earlier as well.
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Kosta didn't get game time cos he didn't fit in with the style we were playing, end of, he left to get game time and has mde the move a winning decision....Marco has been lucky that we've been in dire need of a playmaker and he has stepped up, had bertos, ifill, daniel, not been out of form, had injuries etc Marco may have been in the same position as Kosta, looking for more gametime elsewhere.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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Luis Garcia wrote:
hepatitis wrote:

My impression is that with Manny in the midfield, we have been more successful as a team. Someone could tear that down with a few figures, but I doubt it. Therefore I would like him to stay there. But will depend on the mix at the nix next year I guessRead that if Culina goes to Culina snr, then GCU will be hopeful of getting Smeltz as their marque


Clive Palmer has enough money to keep them both as Marquee. Having Culina leave and a player they already have become marquee is not an improvement.



Culina is going regardless it seems, either to Jets or Sydney or Japan
They dont have Smeltz as a contracted player IIRC, he is a guest player, and can be marquee for next season

Chances of coming here with us I think are slim
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rjmiller wrote:
martinb wrote:

And you recall he was doing that at the expense of Marco. And we'd let Kosta go.
Blaming Pav for Kosta not getting much game time over the last three seasons is somewhat bewildering. He is a completely different style player playing in a different position from Marco. Marco wasn't getting game time at the start of the season because of Riki, not Pav. I also seem to recall Marco was injured earlier as well.
 
To be fair, I don't think he was blaming Pav for Kosta. Rightly or wrongly, I read that as Pav being in the side was keeping Marco out, and that we'd already lost Kosta because he'd had  limited game time...
 
I could, of course, be completely wrong

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Smeltz marquee.

Please Smeltzy have a heart.

Although he has slagged us off too many a time so dont even know if I want him now


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Hypothetically ( I don't really have any idea what they are on) would you rather have Big-Mac for 100k or Smeltzy for 400k? I get the impression we will have to shell out quite a bit for him. Not saying we shouldn't because I don't know who else would be available, but he's not the type of player we need at the moment.
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Smeltz is a goal-scoring machine and a big name in NZ. Even though most of us in the Fever know what a dick he's been since leaving, I imagine a lot of the general public don't. Bringing him back would be one hell of a drawcard.
 
If he asks for high wages - sign him as our Australian Marquee if necessary (assuming his Aussie citizenship makes him eligible).
 
That being said it's not going to happen. It'd be a good move for the Nix, but he seems to desire the Australian lifestyle more.
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Robb wrote:
Smeltz is a goal-scoring machine and a big name in NZ. Even though most of us in the Fever know what a dick he's been since leaving, I imagine a lot of the general public don't. Bringing him back would be one hell of a drawcard.
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If he asks for high wages - sign him as out Australian Marquee if necessary (assuming his Aussie citizenship makes him eligible).

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That being said it's not going to happen. It'd be a good move for the Nix, but he seems to desire the Australian lifestyle more.


Yellow Whever Whanganui

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rjmiller wrote:
Hypothetically ( I don't really have any idea what they are on) would you rather have Big-Mac for 100k or Smeltzy for 400k? I get the impression we will have to shell out quite a bit for him. Not saying we shouldn't because I don't know who else would be available, but he's not the type of player we need at the moment.

And what do we 'need'? Even if we had the A-Leagues best defence we'll probably still struggle to score goals away from home.
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Robb wrote:
Smeltz is a goal-scoring machine and a big name in NZ. Even though most of us in the Fever know what a dick he's been since leaving, I imagine a lot of the general public don't. Bringing him back would be one hell of a drawcard.
�

If he asks for high wages - sign him as our Australian Marquee if necessary (assuming his Aussie citizenship makes him eligible).

�

That being said it's not going to happen. It'd be a good move for the Nix, but he seems to desire the Australian lifestyle more.


Has he got citizenship or is it redidency?

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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Leggy wrote:
Robb wrote:
Smeltz is a goal-scoring machine and a big name in NZ. Even though most of us in the Fever know what a dick he's been since leaving, I imagine a lot of the general public don't. Bringing him back would be one hell of a drawcard.
�

If he asks for high wages - sign him as our Australian Marquee if necessary (assuming his Aussie citizenship makes him eligible).

�

That being said it's not going to happen. It'd be a good move for the Nix, but he seems to desire the Australian lifestyle more.


Has he got citizenship or is it redidency?


I meant residency.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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